How many just started in a major studio as a ****ing janitor and worked up to thier carrer. My opinions, looking foreward to replies. I am also skeptical on how studios still have staff janitors (most don't even have staff engineers any more) how many of them contract a cleaning company? Of those studios, how many of them are run out of a home? I don't hire a janitor for my house. Many gurus did have a background in either or both. On the other hand, electrical engineering and the like had been around longer than audio, so has music performance. So when our said gurus were wanting to get into the audio field, there wasn't much alternative than to work up from janitor. The Audio field has been around a lot longer than that. I believe the first degree program was University of Miami and thats under 30 years old if I'm mistaken. audio is a relatively new field as far as pedagogy goes. And as far as 'Mix Guru's' going to audio schools, I agree with you few. Kakaroto, I'm not sure which of the above messages you were replying to, but I don't think any of them suggested that one would be fine with just certification. ITS JUST A TOOL! How many guys in the field that are now considered 'Mix Guru's' went to audio school? Man this is EXACTILY what is wrong with younger engineers. So my question is: Can anybody give me any advice as to becoming a Pro Tools Expert in and of itself is too narrow, or is it the USP of anybody wanting to work in the field of recording, producing etc today? Can you be a Pro Tools Expert without being an audio engineer in the first place? I understand that life is tough these days for Audio Engineers, but I kind of doubt that a relatively easy to take Pro Tools Expert certificate will do much to change anything for any one of these committed individuals? On the other hand - maybe not? I decided that Pro Tools was only one, albeit significant, layer of knowledge that one will truly need, so to go ahead with the more general audio engineering school (SAE in NYC), but one thing that confuses me is that I see on some recording sessions that there is a specified Pro Tools engineer involved sometimes. I recently considered the Pro's and Con's of becoming a certified Pro Tools Expert in Music & post production, versus taking a more general education in audio engineering that would introduce me to Pro Tools among other programs.

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